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Re: [TRNSYS-users] Psychometrics problem



Michael,
  Fans (and pumps) in TRNSYS set the downstream flow rate based on the input control signal and the rated flow rate parameter. They use the input flow rate only to check the fan mass balance. If you have 0 kg/h of air entering a fan because of the connections that you've made and the fan's control signal is set to 1 and its rated flow rate is 1000 kg/h then the fan will put out 1000 kg/h of air and log the time step as having a mass imbalance. Sometimes this is not a problem; for example if you have a fan that is blowing air from ambient into an air handler or into a building. You don't really care how much air is going into the fan and you can either ignore the warning or connect the fan's output flow rate to its input to suppress the message. If you have a supply / return system then it is probably more important to make sure that flow is balancing around the loop. Use a type65 and plot the flow rate out of each device in the loop. Make sure it all sums to the fan's outlet flow rate.
Best,
 David


On 12/4/2012 01:21, Michael Diekerhof wrote:
David,
thanks for this fast reply. Since I connected the pressure as well (don´t know how i could miss this) there are no more warnings due to psychometrics. Just at the end there´s one warning left, which doesn´t sound good:

*** Warning at time       :      8760.000000
    Generated by Unit     :     6
    Generated by Type     :   112
    Message               : Fan mass balance failed during 35040 timesteps. Please check the connections.

Do you have any idea what in detail could be wrong ? I made the connections for dry bulb, humidity and pressure.

Thanks in advance!
Best,
Michael




Am 12/3/2012 6:39 PM, schrieb David BRADLEY:
Michael,
  You need to connect the pressure as well. It is surprising that you always get the warning. I would understand if you get that warning for some timesteps (maybe even enough timesteps to go over the allowable number of warnings in a simulation. However, if you get that warning at every single timestep, there might be something else wrong.
Regards,
 David


On 12/3/2012 05:39, Michael Diekerhof wrote:
Dear all,

I´m using type 112 as a fan for an air-Source heat pump (type401).

Between Type 15(weather) and type 112 i made the following connections:

Dry bulb temperature => Inlet temperature
Humity ratio => Inlet air humidity ratio

But unfortunetaly I do always receive the following warning which results in an Error:

"The referenced UNIT has called the PSYCHROMETRICS routine witha humidity ratio above the saturation humidity ratio for the given dry bulb temperature.
The air was assumed saturated at the given dry bulb temperature and the humidity ratio set for this condition"

Does anyone has a suggestion to solve this problem ?? I appreciate any idea :)

Best,
Michael


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David BRADLEY
Principal
Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
Madison, WI  53703 USA

P:+1.608.274.2577
F:+1.608.278.1475
d.bradley@tess-inc.com

http://www.tess-inc.com
http://www.trnsys.com