Dear Prof. Redpath,
In TRNSYS 17, Type15 would be the best choice provided that you
have a standard format weather file such as TMY, TMY2, TMY3, EPW,
etc. If you have non standard or measured data, you can use a
combination of Types9 and 16. If you don't mind doing some work in
Excel to format user data a little bit, you can use Type99. All of
those radiation processing components (15, 16, and 99) should have
the components of solar radiation needed for evacuated tube
collector modeling (whether tracking or fixed).
Kind regards,
David
On 1/15/2011 12:33, Redpath David wrote:
Hi could anyone remind me what weather component
is needed for the evacuated tube model?
Regards,
David
David Redpath
Lecturer energy storage
Room 26B16/22B04
School of the Built Environment
University of Ulster
Jordanstown Campus
Shore Road
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UK
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d.redpath@ulster.ac.uk
028 90366169 (lab)
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-----Original Message-----
From: trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu on behalf of ??
Sent: Sat 15/01/2011 2:56 PM
To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] OUTPUT about storing thermal energy of
wall
Dear all,
I assumed the initial indoor temperature as 20°C, it means the
walls and
roof and
floor can store lots of thermal energy. PLEASE tell me which
OUTPUT is
storing thermal energy of wall?
Which NTYPE? QCOMI or QABSI or QUA? QCSURF?
Many thanks!
Br.
wang
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> ---------- ????? ----------
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> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:19:59 +0100
> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] OUTPUT about storing thermal
energy of wall
> Dear all,
>
>
> I assumed the initial indoor temperature as 20°C, it
means the walls and
> roof and
> floor can store lots of thermal energy. PLEASE tell me
which OUTPUT is
> storing thermal energy of wall?
> Which NTYPE? QCOMI or QABSI or QUA? QCSURF?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Br.
>
> wang
>
> ? 2011?1?14? ??9:40,
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>> 1. the total heating demand calculation by TRNSYS
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>> (??)
>> 2. Wall's Convective heat transfer coefficient
and Solar
>> absorptance (??)
>>
>>
>> ---------- ????? ----------
>> From: ?? <wanghongyang1767@gmail.com>
>> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:28:21 +0100
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] the total heating demand
calculation by TRNSYS and
>> by hand
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I assumed that the initial indoor temperature is
20°C and maintains the
>> same value during 24 hours, the outdoor temperature
is 0°C and stable
>> also during 24 hours. It exists no cracks and
infiltration and
>> ventilation.
>>
>> Conditions of the big test room: Volume of the big
room: 100 m3,
>> Density of
>> the air at 20°C: 1.205 kg/m3, Indoor air temperature
of the big room:
>> 20°C, Outdoor temperature: 0°C, Specific heat
capacity of air at 20°C:
>> 1.004 kJ/kg*k.
>>
>> Do you mean let me calculate the total heating
demand. I think it
>> includes two parts: first one is the heating which
maintains 20°C,
>> second is the heating which compensate the heat loss
resulted from the
>> heat transfer. The heat loss includes the heat
transfer through the
>> walls and floor and roof. (In other words, only one
part: the second
>> one) I think the main type of heat transfer is the
heat conduction.
>>
>> I used the software output "QHEAT" and
"INTEGRATOR" to calculate the
>> total heating demand one day, the heating is
radiator, the max. power
>> is 1.1 kW(the big room's actual heating power), the
result is 34314.2
>> kJ, and I asked the technical support, he said QHEAT
is the total
>> heating demand. But I calculated by hand, only the
heat loss through
>> the walls and roof and floor is 80000 kJ.
>>
>> After thinking and analysis, I think the problem
maybe is that I assumed
>> the initial indoor temperature as 20°C, it means the
walls and roof and
>> floor can store lots of thermal energy. So the result
of software:
>> 34314.2 kJ is smaller than 80000 kJ. Because the
thermal energy the
>> walls and roof and floor can store should be bigger
than 80000 kJ or
>> next to it. How to calculate the heat loss through
the wall and roof and
>> floor using TRNSYS?
>>
>> Another problem is that I used the software's
air-conditioning to
>> calculate the total heating energy, the result is
12707.7 kJ which is
>> smaller than the raditor. So I think the technical
support and manual
>> said the total heating energy only is the energy
which heats the indoor
>> air, not calculating or considering the storing
thermal energy of the
>> walls etc. Am I right or not? Please explain the
reasons!
>>
>> These days I will make sure the software is how to
calculate the heat
>> loss through the walls etc. and how much thermal
energy the walls store.
>> And I think the TRNSYS should be not wrong or not?
>>
>> PLEASE tell me why the heating energy's difference
by TRNSYS and by
>> hand is so big- about 50000 kJ?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/14 <trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu>
>>
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>>> 1. Equation tool (Rambod Rayegan)
>>> 2. TRNSYS Manual (Rambod Rayegan)
>>> 3. Re: Equation tool (Mehdi Shahrestani)
>>> 4. Re: TRNSYS Manual (Matt Duffy)
>>> 5. Re: TRNSYS Manual (Mehdi Shahrestani)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: Rambod Rayegan <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:19:11 -0500
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Equation tool
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>> I don't know how can I find the function of each
botton (like GT, LT,
>>> LE, AE, NE, STEP, ...) in the equation tool of
the TRNSYS.
>>> Is there any file or section in the TRNSYS
documentation files that
>>> explain equation tool functions?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: Rambod Rayegan <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:24:18 -0500
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>> Is ther any file named" TRNSYS Manual " in your
documents after
>>> installing the software.?
>>> It seems sometime in some documents the author
refers to TRNSYS Manual. I
>>> have not such a document in my documenation
folder.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: "Mehdi Shahrestani"
<mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com>
>>> To: "'Rambod Rayegan'" <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:30:58 -0000
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Equation tool
>>>
>>> Dear Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just go to Trnsys manual volume 6 page 25.
>>>
>>> You can find all of them in that page. Moreover,
you can find them as a
>>> FORTRAN functions in each FORTRAN book.
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you do not have that page let me know
I am online tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice to hearing you
>>>
>>> Mehdi
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu
[mailto:
>>> trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu] *On Behalf Of
*Rambod Rayegan
>>> *Sent:* 14 January 2011 19:19
>>> *To:* trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] Equation tool
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know how can I find the function of each
botton (like GT, LT,
>>> LE, AE, NE, STEP, ...) in the equation tool of
the TRNSYS.
>>>
>>> Is there any file or section in the TRNSYS
documentation files that
>>> explain equation tool functions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy@tess-inc.com>
>>> To: "Rambod Rayegan" <rraye001@fiu.edu>,
trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:38:12 -0600 (CST)
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>> Rambod,
>>>
>>> Simply hit the "F1" button to open the
documentation main menu, or you
>>> can click on the "?" icon in the Studio. You can
manually go to the
>>> documentaiton folder as well, ".\Documentation".
>>>
>>> The section about the logical functions is in the
TRNEdit manual - Volume
>>> 6 - section 6.3.9.1.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mat Duffy
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* "Rambod Rayegan" <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 13:24
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>> Is ther any file named" TRNSYS Manual &qu!
ot; in your documents after
>>> installing the software.?
>>> It seems sometime in some documents the author
refers to TRNSYS Manual. I
>>> have not such a document in my documenation
folder.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TRNSYS-users mailing
listTRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.eduhttps://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: "Mehdi Shahrestani"
<mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com>
>>> To: "'Rambod Rayegan'" <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:40:09 -0000
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At the top of your TRNSYS screen after "windows"
there is a icon with
>>> this sign "?" .
>>>
>>> If you go through that, manuals are there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope it helps
>>>
>>> Mehdi
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu
[mailto:
>>> trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu] *On Behalf Of
*Rambod Rayegan
>>> *Sent:* 14 January 2011 19:24
>>> *To:* trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is ther any file named" TRNSYS Manual " in your
documents after
>>> installing the software.?
>>>
>>> It seems sometime in some documents the author
refers to TRNSYS Manual. I
>>> have not such a document in my documenation
folder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TRNSYS-users mailing list
>>> TRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- ????? ----------
>> From: ?? <wanghongyang1767@gmail.com>
>> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:40:10 +0100
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Wall's Convective heat
transfer coefficient and
>> Solar absorptance
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please tell me what's meaning of Wall's Convective
heat transfer
>> coefficient and Solar absorptance: Front and Back?
>>
>> Front means: to the indoor? Back means: to the
outdoor?
>>
>> If I calculate the total heating energy of one
room, whether QHEAT
>> include Wall's Convective heat transfer and Solar
absorptance's Front and
>> Back or not?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/14 <trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu>
>>
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>>>
>>> 1. Equation tool (Rambod Rayegan)
>>> 2. TRNSYS Manual (Rambod Rayegan)
>>> 3. Re: Equation tool (Mehdi Shahrestani)
>>> 4. Re: TRNSYS Manual (Matt Duffy)
>>> 5. Re: TRNSYS Manual (Mehdi Shahrestani)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: Rambod Rayegan <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:19:11 -0500
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Equation tool
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>> I don't know how can I find the function of each
botton (like GT, LT,
>>> LE, AE, NE, STEP, ...) in the equation tool of
the TRNSYS.
>>> Is there any file or section in the TRNSYS
documentation files that
>>> explain equation tool functions?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: Rambod Rayegan <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> To: trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:24:18 -0500
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>> Is ther any file named" TRNSYS Manual " in your
documents after
>>> installing the software.?
>>> It seems sometime in some documents the author
refers to TRNSYS Manual. I
>>> have not such a document in my documenation
folder.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: "Mehdi Shahrestani"
<mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com>
>>> To: "'Rambod Rayegan'" <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:30:58 -0000
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Equation tool
>>>
>>> Dear Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just go to Trnsys manual volume 6 page 25.
>>>
>>> You can find all of them in that page. Moreover,
you can find them as a
>>> FORTRAN functions in each FORTRAN book.
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you do not have that page let me know
I am online tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice to hearing you
>>>
>>> Mehdi
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu
[mailto:
>>> trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu] *On Behalf Of
*Rambod Rayegan
>>> *Sent:* 14 January 2011 19:19
>>> *To:* trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] Equation tool
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know how can I find the function of each
botton (like GT, LT,
>>> LE, AE, NE, STEP, ...) in the equation tool of
the TRNSYS.
>>>
>>> Is there any file or section in the TRNSYS
documentation files that
>>> explain equation tool functions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy@tess-inc.com>
>>> To: "Rambod Rayegan" <rraye001@fiu.edu>,
trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:38:12 -0600 (CST)
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>> Rambod,
>>>
>>> Simply hit the "F1" button to open the
documentation main menu, or you
>>> can click on the "?" icon in the Studio. You can
manually go to the
>>> documentaiton folder as well, ".\Documentation".
>>>
>>> The section about the logical functions is in the
TRNEdit manual - Volume
>>> 6 - section 6.3.9.1.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mat Duffy
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* "Rambod Rayegan" <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 13:24
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>> Is ther any file named" TRNSYS Manual &qu!
ot; in your documents after
>>> installing the software.?
>>> It seems sometime in some documents the author
refers to TRNSYS Manual. I
>>> have not such a document in my documenation
folder.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TRNSYS-users mailing
listTRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.eduhttps://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- ????? ----------
>>> From: "Mehdi Shahrestani"
<mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com>
>>> To: "'Rambod Rayegan'" <rraye001@fiu.edu>
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:40:09 -0000
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At the top of your TRNSYS screen after "windows"
there is a icon with
>>> this sign "?" .
>>>
>>> If you go through that, manuals are there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope it helps
>>>
>>> Mehdi
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu
[mailto:
>>> trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu] *On Behalf Of
*Rambod Rayegan
>>> *Sent:* 14 January 2011 19:24
>>> *To:* trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Manual
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is ther any file named" TRNSYS Manual " in your
documents after
>>> installing the software.?
>>>
>>> It seems sometime in some documents the author
refers to TRNSYS Manual. I
>>> have not such a document in my documenation
folder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rambod
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TRNSYS-users mailing list
>>> TRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.edu
>>> https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>
>>>
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