Re: [TRNSYS-users] Problem of pane temperature divergence

Marion,

Thanks a lot for your proposal.

Please find attached the different files of my project.

I thank you very much in advance for any help you could give me.

Best Regards,

Cordialement,

Pauline GELIN

Ingénieur Conception environnementale

cid:image001.jpg@01CFAA73.752A6F70

10 avenue des canuts

69120 VAULX EN VELIN

T : 04.37.45.33.33

Ligne directe : 04.37.45.33.47

www.katene.coop

www.quadriplus-groupe.com

www.woopa.coop

De : TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] De la part de Marion Hiller
Envoyé : lundi 6 octobre 2014 08:43
À : 'TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org'
Objet : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Problem of pane temperature divergence

Pauline,

it is hard to tell without looking at your project.

If you send the project, I can have a look at it.

Marion

Von: TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] Im Auftrag von Pauline GELIN
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2014 17:02
An: TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org (trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org); trnsys-users (trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu)
Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] Problem of pane temperature divergence

Hi,

like many users I have a problem of divergent temperatures for all my windows (see message below) with a simple TRNBUILD project, with constant CHTC always used in my previous studies, with 2 types 93 for gain calculations (I think no link with my problem).

I tried all proposals from mailing list in TRNSYS mailing list archive without success.

Does anyone have an idea?

Thank you very in advance for any help.

Best Regards,

Cordialement,

Pauline GELIN

Ingénieur Conception environnementale

cid:image001.jpg@01CFAA73.752A6F70

10 avenue des canuts

69120 VAULX EN VELIN

T : 04.37.45.33.33

Ligne directe : 04.37.45.33.47

www.katene.coop

www.quadriplus-groupe.com

www.woopa.coop

*-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * W i n d o w s *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WINDOW SAS WINID=13002 : HINSIDE=16.2 : HOUTSIDE=43.2 : SLOPE=90 : SPACID=1 : WWID=1.8 : WHEIG=2.3 : FFRAME=0.10 : UFRAME=45.00 : ABSFRAME=0.6 : RISHADE=0 : RESHADE=0 : REFLISHADE=0.5 : REFLOSHADE=0.5 : ; CCISHADE=0.5 : EPSFRAME=0.9 : EPSISHADE=0.9 WINDOW LT WINID=13002 : HINSIDE=16.2 : HOUTSIDE=43.2 : SLOPE=00 : SPACID=1 : WWID=1.5 : WHEIG=6.0 : FFRAME=0.10 : UFRAME=22.04 : ABSFRAME=0.6 : RISHADE=0 : RESHADE=0 : REFLISHADE=0.5 : REFLOSHADE=0.5 : ; CCISHADE=0.5 : EPSFRAME=0.9 : EPSISHADE=0.9 WINDOW ALU WINID=13002 : HINSIDE=16.2 : HOUTSIDE=43.2 : SLOPE=90 : SPACID=1 : WWID=1.5 : WHEIG=2.2 : FFRAME=0.10 : UFRAME= 22.04 : ABSFRAME=0.6 : RISHADE=0 : RESHADE=0 : REFLISHADE=0.5 : REFLOSHADE=0.5 : ; CCISHADE=0.5 : EPSFRAME=0.9 : EPSISHADE=0.9 WINDOW BOIS WINID=13002 : HINSIDE=16.2 : HOUTSIDE=43.2 : SLOPE=90 : SPACID=1 : WWID=1.5 : WHEIG=2.3 : FFRAME=0.10 : UFRAME= 7.25 : ABSFRAME=0.6 : RISHADE=0 : RESHADE=0 : REFLISHADE=0.5 : REFLOSHADE=0.5 : ; CCISHADE=0.5 : EPSFRAME=0.9 : EPSISHADE=0.9

********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* * TRNBuild 2.0.167 ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* * BUILDING DESCRIPTIONS FILE TRNSYS * FOR BUILDING: J:\... * GET BY WORKING WITH TRNBuild 1.0 for Windows ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* * *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * C o m m e n t s *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * P r o j e c t *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *+++ PROJECT... *+++ TITLE=... *+++ DESCRIPTION=... *+++ CREATED=... *+++ ADDRESS=... *+++ CITY=... *+++ SWITCH=UNDEFINED *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * P r o p e r t i e s *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPERTIES DENSITY=1.204 : CAPACITY=1.012 : PRESSURE=101325.000 : HVAPOR=2454.0 : SIGMA=2.041e-007 : RTEMP=293.15 *--- alpha calculation ------------------- KFLOORUP=7.2 : EFLOORUP=0.31 : KFLOORDOWN=3.888 : EFLOORDOWN=0.31 KCEILUP=7.2 : ECEILUP=0.31 : KCEILDOWN=3.888 : ECEILDOWN=0.31 KVERTICAL=5.76 : EVERTICAL=0.3 *

_EXTENSION_WINPOOL_START_ WINDOW 4.1 DOE-2 Data File : Multi Band Calculation Unit System : SI Name : TRNSYS15 WINDOW LIB Desc : Saint Gobain CLIMAPLUS FUTUR AR 1.1 4/15/4 Window ID : 13002 Tilt : 90.0 Glazings : 2 Frame : 11 TRNSYS WIN - 1 2.270 Spacer : 1 Class1 2.330 -0.010 0.138 Total Height: 1600.0 mm Total Width : 1250.0 mm Glass Height: 1460.3 mm Glass Width : 1110.3 mm Mullion : None Gap Thick Cond dCond Vis dVis Dens dDens Pr dPr 1 Argon 15.0 0.01620 5.000 2.110 6.300 1.780 -0.0060 0.680 0.00066 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Angle 0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 Hemis Tsol 0.521 0.524 0.517 0.508 0.495 0.472 0.418 0.312 0.153 0.000 0.439 Abs1 0.022 0.022 0.023 0.023 0.025 0.026 0.027 0.029 0.031 0.000 0.025 Abs2 0.102 0.104 0.112 0.117 0.119 0.123 0.135 0.142 0.105 0.000 0.121 Abs3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Abs4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Abs5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Abs6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rfsol 0.355 0.350 0.349 0.352 0.361 0.379 0.420 0.517 0.711 1.000 0.404 Rbsol 0.295 0.289 0.287 0.290 0.299 0.316 0.350 0.430 0.616 0.999 0.337 Tvis 0.782 0.787 0.776 0.763 0.744 0.705 0.618 0.450 0.212 0.000 0.655 Rfvis 0.131 0.124 0.123 0.127 0.142 0.173 0.239 0.388 0.664 1.000 0.214 Rbvis 0.138 0.131 0.128 0.131 0.144 0.169 0.218 0.325 0.551 0.999 0.198 SHGC 0.609 0.613 0.613 0.609 0.598 0.578 0.534 0.435 0.244 0.000 0.544 SC: 0.60 Layer ID# 4054 7202 0 0 0 0 Tir 0.000 0.000 0 0 0 0 Emis F 0.840 0.040 0 0 0 0 Emis B 0.840 0.840 0 0 0 0 Thickness(mm) 4.0 4.0 0 0 0 0 Cond(W/m2-C ) 225.0 225.0 0 0 0 0 Spectral File None None None None None None Overall and Center of Glass Ig U-values (W/m2-C) Outdoor Temperature -17.8 C 15.6 C 26.7 C 37.8 C Solar WdSpd hcout hrout hin (W/m2) (m/s) (W/m2-C) 0 0.00 12.25 3.23 7.55 1.32 1.32 1.05 1.05 1.07 1.07 1.16 1.16 0 6.71 25.47 3.21 7.57 1.39 1.39 1.08 1.08 1.10 1.10 1.20 1.20 783 0.00 12.25 3.28 6.91 1.38 1.38 1.15 1.15 1.13 1.13 1.16 1.16 783 6.71 25.47 3.23 6.66 1.45 1.45 1.20 1.20 1.16 1.16 1.19 1.19 *** END OF LIBRARY *** *************************************************************************************************** *WinID Description Design U-Value g-value T-sol Rf-sol T-vis *************************************************************************************************** 13002 Saint Gobain CLIMAPLUS FUTUR AR 1.1 4/15/4 4/15/4 1.1 0.609 0.521 0.355 0.782 _EXTENSION_WINPOOL_END_ _EXTENSION_BuildingGeometry_START_ _EXTENSION_BuildingGeometry_END_ _EXTENSION_ExternalShadingGeometry_START_ _EXTENSION_ExternalShadingGeometry_END_ _EXTENSION_GeoPositionGeometry_START_ _EXTENSION_GeoPositionGeometry_END_

*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ TYPES *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ * *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * L a y e r s *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAYER BÉTON_LOUR CONDUCTIVITY= 7.200 : CAPACITY= 1.00 : DENSITY= 2300 LAYER LVTH38 CONDUCTIVITY= 0.137 : CAPACITY= 1.03 : DENSITY= 16 LAYER PSETH38 CONDUCTIVITY= 0.137 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 35 LAYER PSETH32 CONDUCTIVITY= 0.115 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 35 LAYER PUR CONDUCTIVITY= 0.086 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 40 LAYER BA13 CONDUCTIVITY= 1.152 : CAPACITY= 1.00 : DENSITY= 900 LAYER LV_FP CONDUCTIVITY= 0.180 : CAPACITY= 1.03 : DENSITY= 80 LAYER TERRE CONDUCTIVITY= 3.960 : CAPACITY= 1.00 : DENSITY= 1500 LAYER FLOCAGE CONDUCTIVITY= 0.148 : CAPACITY= 1.03 : DENSITY= 150 LAYER PSETH30 CONDUCTIVITY= 0.108 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 30 LAYER CBR RESISTANCE= 0.550 LAYER AIR RESISTANCE= 0.044

WALL MIN1 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR THICKNESS= 0.15 ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2 WALL MIN2 LAYERS = BA13 LVTH38 BA13 THICKNESS= 0.013 0.075 0.013 ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2 WALL MEE2 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH38 THICKNESS= 0.2 0.18 ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.6 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 43.2 WALL MEE3 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH30 THICKNESS= 0.2 0.12 ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2 WALL MII1 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH32 THICKNESS= 0.2 0.08 ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2 WALL PBTP1 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH30 THICKNESS= 0.2 0.1 ABS-FRONT= 0.8 : ABS-BACK= 0 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 23.8 : HBACK= 0 WALL PBVS2 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR FLOCAGE THICKNESS= 0.2 0.12 ABS-FRONT= 0.8 : ABS-BACK= 0.1 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 23.8 : HBACK= 11 WALL PBEXT1 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR FLOCAGE THICKNESS= 0.2 0.15 ABS-FRONT= 0.8 : ABS-BACK= 0.6 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 23.8 : HBACK= 64 WALL PIN1 LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR THICKNESS= 0.2 ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.8 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 23.8 WALL PIN2 LAYERS = LV_FP AIR BÉTON_LOUR THICKNESS= 0.03 0 0.2 ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.8 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 23.8 WALL PH1 LAYERS = LV_FP AIR BÉTON_LOUR PUR THICKNESS= 0.03 0 0.2 0.20 ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.6 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 64 WALL PH2 LAYERS = LV_FP AIR BÉTON_LOUR PUR TERRE THICKNESS= 0.03 0 0.2 0.20 0.08 ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.6 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 64 WALL CBR LAYERS = CBR THICKNESS= 0.001 ABS-FRONT= 0.6 : ABS-BACK= 0.6 EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9 HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 64

VERSION 17 ******************************************************************************* *** TRNSYS input file (deck) generated by VMO *** on ... *** from TrnsysStudio project: J:\... *** *** If you edit this file, use the File/Import TRNSYS Input File function in *** TrnsysStudio to update the project. *** *** If you have problems, questions or suggestions please contact your local *** TRNSYS distributor or mailto:software@cstb.fr *** ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* *** Units ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* *** Control cards ******************************************************************************* * START, STOP and STEP CONSTANTS 3 START=0 STOP=8760 STEP=1 * User defined CONSTANTS SIMULATION START STOP STEP ! Start time End time Time step TOLERANCES 0.01 0.02 ! Integration Convergence LIMITS 150 150 25 ! Max iterations Max warnings Trace limit DFQ 1 ! TRNSYS numerical integration solver method WIDTH 80 ! TRNSYS output file width, number of characters LIST ! NOLIST statement ! MAP statement SOLVER 0 1 1 ! Solver statement Minimum relaxation factor Maximum relaxation factor NAN_CHECK 0 ! Nan DEBUG statement OVERWRITE_CHECK 0 ! Overwrite DEBUG statement TIME_REPORT 0 ! disable time report EQSOLVER 0 ! EQUATION SOLVER statement