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Re: [TRNSYS-users] Modelling a greenhouse thermal screen by using aninternal window in Type 56




Dear Matt,

Thanks for replying to my posting.

I have done some testing of my approach to modelling the thermal screen, and sometimes I get this warning message:

"Small internal timesteps (<0.1% of simulation timestep) used for humidity calculations due to large coupling air flows between zones!"

This occured when I ran a simulation with the screen suddenly opened at some time, which means that the screen went from fully closed to fully opened from one time step to the next. Then the air exchange between the zones is large due to large temperature/density gradients. The warning message did not appear when the screen was fully opened all the time. I think maybe I can solve the problem by implementing gradual opening of the screen. Do you have any other suggestions?

Also, about the air exchange: Can I use the air exchange rate (absolute value, of course) from the equation as coupling air flow into both adjacent zones, regardless of flow direction? It seems to me that the coupling air flow should be the same from both sides to maintain air balance. Am I correct?

Thanks again for your help.


Best regards,
Knut Erik




From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy@tess-inc.com>
To: knut.erik.enerstvedt@niva.no, trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu
Date: 10/29/2009 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Modelling a greenhouse thermal screen by using      aninternal window in Type 56






Dear Knut Erik,

Your approach sounds very good. Yes, you may set the thermal properites of the thermal screen in the Window TypeManager where you mentioned. For more information about the reflection coefficient, see page 59 of the TRNBuild manual, Volume6. I don't really see any other red flags in your approach, and I do think taking the absolute value of your air flow calculation would be sufficient to maintain the correct balance.

Best regards,

Matt Duffy

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[TRNSYS-users] Modelling a greenhouse thermal screen by using aninternal window in Type 56


Hello TRNSYS users,


I am modelling a horizontal thermal screen in a greenhouse by using an internal (ADJACENT) window between to zones in Type 56, one below and one above the window (screen). The "window" is a virtual window with no glazing and no frame to let all the radiation through to the lower zone when the screen is open. I have defined an internal shading factor controlled by an input variable to model the effects when the screen is opened or closed. In the Window Type Manager, I wonder about the following settings:


Optional Properties of Shading Devices:


Additional Thermal resistance: Can I use this to set the thermal properties of the screen? Will it be effective only when the shading factor is greater than zero?

Reflection Coefficient of Internal Device: How should I set this?


Convective Heat Transfer Coefficient of Window: Should I use 0 (direct contact) when the screen is open and 11 (inside value) when it is fully closed?


I also have a question about coupling of air flow between the upper and lower zones. I use an equation based on the degree of screen opening, temperature difference and density difference to calculate air flowrate across the screen. The direction of flow depends on the level of temperature and/or density in the two zones. How can I ensure air balance between the adjacent zones? Can I take the absolute value of this air flowrate as air flow inputs into BOTH zones, that is the air flow from lower to upper zone equals the air flow from upper to lower zone?


All replies are higly appreciated.


Thanks,

Knut Erik
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